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Reply by frustrated
09 Aug 2013, 2:19 AM

Thank you both for you encouraging words. NatR, you always say the right things that I need to hear. It is so hard to live in the present situation.


I have come to realize the thruth behind " second Childhood". My mother became very child like and needy before she passed away. Now my husband is becoming more and more like a child in his demands and needing me to be there all the time. He doesn't really need me, he just wants me to be with him all the time. Even when I go to a different room, I have to tell him where and what I am going to do. I try to be patient and realize that he can't help his neediness and he doesn't think he is demanding. If I do say something he just gets angry and argumentative. So I usually just tellhim what I am going to do and do it. That goes for whenI go out also. I don't ask his permission, I just tell him what my plans are. 


It is just wierd when you have been married for so many years and now the relationship has changed so much. Being a caregiver truely sucks.


Thank you for this place where I can put my feelings out there. It helps        
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Reply by NatR
09 Aug 2013, 2:47 AM

Hello frustrated,

its good to hear from you

Glad I was able to say what you needed to hear.  You and I have things in common.  It's very trying to be in a leg iron so to speak, feel trapped, feel like you could just scream if it continues much longer, but somehow we do keep going, we make it.

the child like thing is a feeling of needing safety and support from you, plus fear of the future, unknown.  It's inevitable that your husband counts on you, worries you may leave and needs to know where you are at all times.

try and remember that - that you are what he holds onto, he trusts, even without really expressing it, he definitely needs you.

last night I was at an outdoor concert in our local park.  I am a people watcher
i asked to sit on a bench near an elderly lady.  She looked blankly at me, and pointed at the man sitting next to her, saying, I don't know, ask him, in a quavering slow voice.

i sensed that she was leaving heavily on the support of her husband.  My guess is that she has some form of dementia.  She was unable to take care of herself, but her husband would give her a blanket, she would fold it up instead of placing it over her legs, her hands shakey and feeble.

then her husband wrapped the blanket around her, covered her with a small umbrella to keep the raindrops off.

i couldn't help but notice the caregiver in that couple.  I couldn't help but think he has a 24 hr a day   Job, caring for his wife - who was well dressed, cozy jacket, earrings, nice hair.  I wanted to tell him he was doing a good job.  But of course I couldn't 
but I can tell you this story and tell you, that You are doing a good job.

i wondered what will happen if he - the husband gets sick, what will happen to his wife? What will become of them, who will assist them?

so many caregivers, so many needing care, we are connected ( you and i and other forum members) but so many don't have computers or haven't found a forum like this one.

so, pat yourself on the back, Frustrated and any other caregiver reading this.
you are pretty amazing and strong.  

sending out hugs to you and every caregiver.
sincerely,
NatR ;)
ps I am dealing with losing my caregiver job( family member placed in full time care) and grieving that loss.  Hard to know how to move forward - but working on it.  we caregivers are a tough bunch.;)
I still to this day think about my residents when I worked in a nursing home - people are too important to forget.




 
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Reply by frustrated
05 Feb 2014, 2:30 PM

It has been a lot of time since I have written. I have been reading a lot of other peoples posts and have found comfort in them. I realize that there are so many of us out there dealing with terminal illness.


My husband is just continuing to slowly detererate. It is so hard some days to watch him lossing more and more. It makes me so sad. I have been having a hard time sleepiong. I wake up in the night and can't seem to get my mind to shut down. I have tried "going to a happy place", taking over the counter and prescription sleepign pills. But they make me feel so depressed the next day that it isn't worth it.


I still can get out of the house for a few hours at a time and have been doing some volunteer work and go for walks with a friend on a regular basis, weather permitting. But sometimes the sadness overwhelms me.


How do you deal with the long term slowly deterierating of someone you love. Most of the time I can deal with the physical aspects of his detererating. It was hard when I had to help my mother and then my mother-in-law with the daily dressing, undressing etc. But I never thought I would have to also do it for my husband. Today I am just so sad. I seem to tear up over any little thing. And knowing this could still go on for an undetermined amount of time it hard. I do try to take it one day at a time, but sometimes it is just overwhelming and I just want to sit and cry and have a pity party.


I do have good friends who I see, but not as often as I need. I have always been a caregiver and it is hard to realize that sometimes I need someone to take care of me. It is hard to reach out and ask for that care.


I appreciate this forum where I can express how I feel and realize that noone will think less of me for not being the strong one all the time. I don't like feeling so vunerable.

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Reply by NatR
05 Feb 2014, 3:03 PM

Dear frustrated,

thanks for for sharing your feelings and  personal experience, as you are seeing many are writing out their daily journey and their worries and sadness.

when you talked about your fatigue and inability to sleep - the endless days of worry - I can empathize with you

I lost my mom almost a year ago - and I remember how bad I felt because she was many many miles from me - I had visited her and spent a week with her - knowing full well I would not see her again on this earth.

i struggled all those months with not bwing able to  see her, know how she was, hold her hand, smile at her, comfort her - but I had an obligation to a special needs family member who I was caregiver to at the time.

it caused me a lot of pain to not be there when my mom a former nurse, now needed someone to care for her!

you not alone,  on your daily journey  and I know others will teach out to you today!

take one day at a time and make sure you talk to someone near you / a friend or counsellor - keep letting it out - it helps to be heard;) and hugged 
consider yourself hugged from a distance today;)
from me to you!
NatR ;)  
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Reply by frustrated
05 Feb 2014, 3:58 PM

Thank you for "listening" and I did just call a friend just to hear a cheery voice. Most days I can pull it all together and be "ok" but today has just been one of those days that I jsut can't seem to find the energy or strenght to pull it off.


It is the continually day to day with no hope of it getting better and knwoing it is going to only get worse. I was going to do some painting today, but think I will maybe get out for a walk or something else.


I feel the need today for some "normal" interaction. Not sure what that is, but will see waht comes.

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08 Feb 2014, 2:28 AM

Hi frustrated,

I'm glad you remembered that you can always come back here when you need to find good listeners. How did today go?
Colleen 
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Reply by frustrated
08 Feb 2014, 3:08 PM

It has been to cold and a strong wind, so I didn't get out for a walk. I did get out and ran a bunch of errands and that was good. It helped my mental state. Then On Thursday I went to lunch with one of my daughters and then got a massage and that did a lot to lift my spirits.


I try to go at least once a month for a massage. I find that it really helps, not only physically, but mentally. I have heard that a massage realizes endophins. ALso got good hugs from my daughter. I miss that physical aspect. I hug my grandkids as much as they will let me.


Just having a good conversation is nice. My husband was never much of a talker, but now it is even less. I get tired of hearing myself rattle on with no response. So when  I go walking with a friend I talk non stop. Fortunately she understands and is a real talker herself. I do miss that ineraction when we can't walk.


 

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10 Feb 2014, 2:44 PM

I would like to think about the anxiety of the person who is dying. I wonder whether this is the time to think about whether a visit from a minister or religious elder, or from a volunteer with an association who is trained to give comfort,... whether the caregivers need to let someone else visit with the prupose of consoling, at least once in a while.

Do various groups have such teams of volunteers? cancer, alzheimers. etc..??? Church visitation groups may or may not have this kind of outreach.

I was very distressed that none of my cousins (except for one) visited my parents during the last two years of my mothers' life. Yet I visited their parents. And my cousins had enjoyed my parents hospitality many times. I was angry and disappointed with them for doing nothing to alleviate her isolation. 

I dont' care really whether they do it because they worship youth, or because they are still hurt from their own parents' deaths, or because they're "busy"... I see visitng those who hve loved you as a duty --- a flat out obligation that we owe to life. In business terms, it is part of the cost of doing business --- you get to be in a large loving family who help you out so you  are there for those who lvoed you and helped you when they are in need.
My mother is dead now and I am not as angry at my cousins as I was. But I will say that I have much much less respect for them. My dream of family being there, the myth that they all talk about, was only 1/2 reality. I am trying to figure out how I can live for the next 25 years day by day without the promise of loving care during my final years.

The dying have a special ministry to the healthy. Letting people care for you is a ministry to the caregiver - being trusted with the care of a frail person is a profoundly human and deep experience. It isn't pretty. It isn't publicly rewarded. It just is.

But because the dying have no power, no money, no ability to exact a punishment, no posiitive ability to make others' Chrismases "fun" or "so meaninful",   there are no public consequences for just abandoning them.

There is a terrible profound  area of ethics that is missing in Canadian discourse and public life.  it isn't the rich taking care of the poor that should be our focus: it is nothing for a rich person to offer hospitality to the poor--- their position of power and prestige is only increased.

What is really something is for the rich to accept the hospitality of the poor: to treat the poor as the honoured host and not the guest who is expected to be grateful.

Similary what is really something is for the  healthy to accept the h ospitality of the dying, to treat the dying person as an honoured host and not the guest who is expected to be grateful. A dying person may have only his/her time and body to share with another person: that is it. They share all that they have. Depriving that person of the opportunity to share themselves by not visiting is really just such a cruel thing - cruelty to the dying person and cruelty to the person who is denying the other.

I have a cousin who moved his father (drug addicted, gay, alcohoic and proud) frm Ottawa to my cousin's town. He then took care of his dad 24/7 in  his dad's apartment. He then used his brains to find the best hospiice (in Canada I think) , the Dr. Bob Kemp Hospice, and to get his dad in there. My cousin's wife left him during this process. One of his brother's was very busy hundreds of miles away (where my uncle's ex wife lives). The other of his sons lives in the US and has just balanced his own drug problem. So my cousin was alone. When my uncle died, my cousin said that it was an honour to care for his father.

So this is the person I asked to be a pallbearer at my mother's funderal and whom I asked to be made an alternate on her will and power of attorney.  He wades in and sticks with the person and is honoured to do so.

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Reply by frustrated
11 Feb 2014, 12:12 PM

I am sorry for your anger and bitterness. I have cared for my father, my mother my mother-in-law and now my husband with  love dignity and respect. But I can not help but mourn for what I have lost and that is the relationship of a husband and best friend.
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Reply by KathCull_admin
12 Feb 2014, 12:38 AM

Aphasia’s daughter, I was intrigued by your comments about the ‘the dying having a special ministry to the healthy’. I think that is wonderful food for thought.

Have you read the conversation started by eKIM: Self Care for the Caregiver and the Child Within

I think eKim and the others sharing on this thread would welcome discussing this concept. I invite you to post a message there or perhaps to this thread started by eKIM as well.

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