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Réponse de Cherel33
10 juin 2017, 10 h 27

Hi Marymary,

How are you? You were so frustrated and angry in your last email, I feel for you. You were running the debate stay or go. Do you leave to preserve your own sanity or stay in compassion for others? That’s up to you. I stayed living with his anger, berated for things that were not my fault. Hoping for the epiphany of his acceptance of the disease. I wanted to shake him and say heh, I’m here, talk to me. I chose not to confront him, to allow him to rail against the injustice of it all. I refused to engage in his theatrics. Yes, he hurt me in so many ways, but by not rebutting, I have no guilt. It just wasn’t possible to have a reasonable conversation with someone who is so ill.

There were many, many days, I walked out the back door angry and crying, telling myself he’s sick and I’m not. I will get through this and I will be a stronger person for it.

Six months after, and I am stronger, but I truly wish never to go through this again.

I feel for you in so many ways.

Cherel


 

 
Réponse de maine
23 janv. 2019, 13 h 59

Hi everyone.  My husband also lives in denial, and I finally asked his doctor to breech the subject of a living will because we could not discuss anything near his prognosis.   He is a very happy, lover of life and people, and he keeps going to work everyday, and goes to hear live music when he can, and out to dinner, and theater...even though prognosis is less than 6 months.   

When in the doctors office and she began talking about end of life issues- I saw the change on his face and the drop in his spirit.   Immediately I regretted having the doctor initiate this discussion.  It is his positivity that keeps him alive!!!!!

I know these issues need to be addressed but I need him happy and alive more.

 
 
31 janv. 2019, 3 h 08

Hello maine, and thanks for sharing about you and your husband.


Living with the knowledge that you are dying is such a balancing act. A balance of how much you focus on your illness and how much you focus on living. A balance of how much physical and emotional energy it takes to get through the day. And a balance of how much you focus on the future and how much you focus on the present moment. A balance of how much you talk about your illness and wishes and how much you try to focus on going to work and maintaining a semblance of normalcy. And it can be difficult to live fully in the present, knowing that further decline from an illness is ahead.


In my clinical practise as a nurse, it is fascinating to see how different patients and families live while knowing the illness and path that is ahead. And I observe caregivers/partners who struggle as they want to plan and prepare. They want to know all the details that are ahead. They desire to talk about the ill person’s wishes for what to do in the future. What treatments might he want to pursue, where does he want care to place when he can no longer get to the bathroom? What are his values as the illness progresses? And these are important questions that you may want answers to…. But it seems like your husband is simply not ready to talk about these things.


The time may come when he is ready, and hopefully you can talk about things then. And hopefully these discussions will happen in a timeframe that makes sense alongside the changes that are taking place as your husband declines in his physical health. Sometimes these discussions take place before they need to or when they should, and sometimes they just don’t happen… and you may not know that until you are in the moment or look back and think about things further.


It seems like the recent discussion at the doctor’s office was really tough for your husband. And as a result it has left you with regret for wanting to talk about his wishes. You have realized he was not ready for the discussions about a living will. And if that is the result of him not being ready, then you know that you may have to leave those discussions for a while and help him focus on living as normally as possible.


If you are finding that you have questions and the need for support as a caregiver to your husband, there are likely many resources that you could access to help you as you in this caregiving role. Often hospice or palliative care programs have social workers, caregiver groups, or volunteers who can be available to you. This may be a good outlet where you find the support that you need as you have questions that arise.


Know that there is also a community that supports you here on the discussion forums as well, as you continue this journey with your husband.


Simone (CVH Moderator)


 
Réponse de Marymary
31 janv. 2019, 5 h 21

Hi Maine:  I so understand "YOU"wanting to acknowledge his diagnosis but when the dr had conversation - you saw what it did to him.  I was the same way, took me awhile, longer than you to get to the point of "leave it be".  

I honestly thought he was choosing to not see / feel/hear how dire the situation was & i wanted him to realize this not just put it on ignore, like it's not happening.  

how i chose to deal with it was 1 night, get him kinda drunk (honestly that's what it took for him not me) & I told him.  Look no one wants to talk about this crapola, I get it but when you are facing it, you NEED too sorry, so we are are going to talk about this tonight & then I'll leave it alone, if you want to talk about it after tonight so be it, I;ll be here & if i can't answer your questions or issues or what have you, I'll make sure to get an answer from someone on your behalf ok. 

We talked about will, life insurances, banks, line of credits etc., all finanicial aspects.  Then it came down to a living will, life support etc., everything. Thats where it started getting real difficult, I said we'll take our time, just breathe & how about I mention things & you ether nod your head yes or no ok.  if you care to elaborate then talk away ok.  That worked really well.

Then it came to what are his wishes for afterwards & his response was I don't frigin care, i'll be dead & I said this was your life & how am i to know or your son to know - he said do whatever you want - i don't care, i won't be here.  So, i chose a different approach & said some choose to deal with these details because it takes away stress/strain on the ones left behind who will be mourning, so this is why I ask.  So once again i mentioned things & he just nodded yes or no.

He did not talk, I really got how he honestly could NOT speak about time ending, naturally he thought of it but so did not want to go there if he did not have to.  It terrified him, he was scared & chose to ONLY think positive, didn't want anyone thinking differently of him.  Also to a certain extent, out of sight out of mind kind of thing.  People do treat you differently period regardless.  

I did finally get to the "who am I to take away any kind of joy he has" regarding anything, not my place at all, not my purpose.

He wasn't suppose to even live through his treatment (2015) an guess what he is still with us.  He's same way does NOT want to talk about the past (hospitals/ICU) etc. especially if smeone else bring up the "C" work, he'll leave the room.  Yes he still has Inoperable Stage 4B throat cancer (orophygenal?) & always will, they are just monitoring him now.  I call him a walking miracle, he was not suppose to be here like 4-5 times now but he's still here (stubborness or will to live or both lol).  I do wonder that but I don't swell there. 

Maine - go with him, enjoy the days, the time, the food, the sunsets & sunrises, the stars, snuggling while watching TV or trip to Hawaii or Mexico /a cruise some where.  Whatever it maybe go & suck it up for all its worth - MAKE THE TIME/ENJOY THE TIME.  Cool

Sorry if i kinda went on there.  Havent been on for a long time, wasn't getting any emails not could I remember what site was called but glad I'm here again.   Thank you for allowing me to share too = Mary 
 
 
Réponse de maine
31 janv. 2019, 6 h 36

Thank you Mary and Simone. Great advice.  I like the idea of saying- we will talk about this once and then we'll be done with it.  That might make it more manageable.  Also, always good to hear when people beat their prognosis! Hope is that thing with feathers that perches in your soul.   Emily Dickinson I believe.  Again, thank you for taking the time to give thoughtful responses.  It is much appreciated.   Peace, Maine 


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